and yet stylistically, because you didn't call barack obama a socialist, you were a rino. i mean, this is not a party -- last year at least -- that was serious about winning. >> exactly. >> it's a wacky period. and i think the good news is the party, if it gets a vision, and if it gets a big, bold, optimistic view of where this nation needs to go, we'll come back. i mean, these cycles occur. that's the good news. but what joe manchin, my great friend, we were governors together, are just as interested in because the party is going to rebuild. it will go up and down. there will be cyclicality. what we're making sure is that whether democrat or republican people in congress actually start problem solving and getting the work of the american people done. because it seems that congress has given up on the american people, but the american people haven't given up on congress. there's still a pretty optimistic burchg onch out ther they want results and they're getting nothing. let's start with the basics. how do you start problem solving, right, joe? >> that's right, jon. i'm ju